ive been reported twice for spamming when i havnt spammed at all! what shall i do?? - Guild Wars Forums

Erizneth Corithius · Jan 02, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Hi,
about a month ago, on my old account, i was reported for spamming and my account was suspended for 72 hours... i never spammed or did anything wrong..

and now, today my new account i made recently has been suspended, again for spamming.. and again .. I DIDNT SPAMM

who ever keeps reporting me is no doubt going to do it again and again... and i wont be able to enjoy guild wars which i love so so much !!

I play all day everyday lol thats how much i love the game, and im so upset that i keep getting suspended for something i didnt do ..

what shall i do??? PLEASE help!

snaek · Jan 02, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15

were u tryin to buy/sell things using local chat?

guildwars hero22 · Jan 02, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16

dont spam...............

Akeido · Jan 02, 2009, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erizneth Corithius

Hi,
about a month ago, on my old account, i was reported for spamming and my account was suspended for 72 hours... i never spammed or did anything wrong..

and now, today my new account i made recently has been suspended, again for spamming.. and again .. I DIDNT SPAMM

who ever keeps reporting me is no doubt going to do it again and again... and i wont be able to enjoy guild wars which i love so so much !!

I play all day everyday lol thats how much i love the game, and im so upset that i keep getting suspended for something i didnt do ..

what shall i do??? PLEASE help!

You're most likely spamming w/out knowing. If you constantly flood the chat with "WTB/WTS..." or "LFG" type things, people probably will report you.

-Lotus- · Jan 02, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

stop selling in the chat channel.

Empress Amarox · Jan 02, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

If you're using the party window, make sure you have the Trade drop down selected before you start typing your message.

DarkFlame · Jan 02, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

/report does not equal instant ban. If you are getting banned, then you are doing something wrong. So stop it.

turbo234 · Jan 02, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

actually if i remember correctly, if it was you im thinking of, you were being rude to someone putting up recruiting messages in LA and said you hate recruiting messages etc etc and then said spam spam spam a bunch of times trying to mock them. the recruiter had done nothing wrong but you were just being disrespectful to that person and in fact did spam.

Xx Da Best Xx · Jan 02, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Dont type and youll never spam without knowing it.

Perpetua Gale · Jan 02, 2009, 10:02 PM // 22:02

I seriously believe that Anet is treading on unstable ground regarding bans. I have spoken to several Law students/ professors at the UW in Seattle, Wa. which would be the jurisdiction for any actual damages. It certainly appears that there is NO standard to which bans are issued. Selective enforcement of codes/procedures/laws effectively nullifies that specific code/law/procedure. You can NOT ban someone for offensive names while you maintain one. You can NOT pick and choose. There MUST be a consistent standard. Curious that Live team member mikey z has a char named mike kicks azz.. I have seen names banned for less obvious offensive names. Its just a matter of time til some people come together for a class action lawsuit against ANET regarding banning of accounts. If anet doesnt like my spamming and they have a specific standard, then they can REMOVE my ability to chat... THEY HAVE NO LEGAL BASIS TO REMOVE MY ACCESS TO GAMEPLAY FOR WHICH I PAID. Some of you may flame this ect. unless you are familiar with WA. state legal code your comments are uninformed and dont tell me abut anets lawyers. If they indeed had any they would be aware of selective enforcement. ANET better figure it out before a class action suit hurts their financial bottom line more so than it is now. Even now as I type, letters are being drafted by A few L4's to be sent addressing this issue. stay tuned

ShoGunTheOne · Jan 02, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

End User Licence Agreement:
...
4. Account
...
(j) In the Game(s), characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called ‘Chat Messages.’ With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NCsoft will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated ‘spamming,’ or ‘flooding’ of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NCsoft Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NCsoft, lead to the temporary removal of the character’s ability to communicate, the Account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent Account closure.

http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti...ser_agreement/

it's all in the EULA, you aggred it, so they have the right to ban you

Perpetua Gale · Jan 02, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

UMMM... in case you didn't read carefully SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF A POLICY NEGATES ITS WORTH. To ban an account based on that premise would negate the terms of the EULA. If you want to have an enforceable EULA you need CONSISTENT STANDARDS.

It is also apparent Anet has the ability to ban chat. I didnt buy the game to converse with random who-ha's. I doubt a judge would find that a semiand or permanant ban to my account for what someone "feels" is inappropriate...(lacking any standard) would be appropriate. Shut off my chat! I paid hundreds to play a game not to chitchat with children. What is to prevent ANet from collecting sales revenue then banning all accounts?...whats to stop them if they have no CONSISTENT STANDARD???

ALso even if you agree with a "contract" that is illegal or uneforcable DOES NOT MEAN ITS BINDING...TRY A LAW101 COURSE

Estan Micaliur · Jan 02, 2009, 10:30 PM // 22:30

They aren't 'selectively enforcing' anything. When you purchased Guild Wars and subsequently created an account with ArenaNet and NCSoft, you agreed to the entire EULA. The ENTIRE thing. That includes the section mentioned above. If that isn't a 'consistent standard' I'm not sure what is.

You said that if there is a problem with your chatting, they can remove your ability to chat. Yes, they can. They just chose something slightly more effective. If you are engaging in an activity deemed inappropriate, you can be suspended or banned, end of story.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jan 02, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perpetua Gale

What is to prevent ANet from collecting sales revenue then banning all accounts?

Absolutely nothing, you pay for the rights to an account not the right to play on their servers.

Perpetua Gale · Jan 02, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59

I guarantee you a judge would see it differently. EVERYONE BUYS THE GAME TO PLAY.

ShoGunTheOne · Jan 02, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

and those who disobeys the rules lose the chance to play

it's like that in anything

fusa · Jan 02, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

If you're so convinced that you have a good case against ANet then spend a few thousand dollars on a lawyer over your $20-$150 game. Or just stop being stupid and follow their rules. Don't spam, or make stupid names and you can save your money on a lawyer and you won't be banned.

Luca Firestorm · Jan 02, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Yup, in the end anet resreves the right to do absolutely anything they want to u, they can even colour all ur stuff pink, forever!

Perpetua Gale · Jan 03, 2009, 12:09 AM // 00:09

YEa thats cute... Anet reserves the right to do whatever they want... but it does NOT hold legal weight... a business reserves the right to refuse service..but if you are only refusing service to blacks,asians or whoever your gonna have big LEGAL problems. A BUSINESS CAN'T DO WHATEVER IT WANTS...WITHOUT A STANDARD . you may also want to reference pharmisists refusing to sell birth control and the subsequent lawsuits UMM and FYI you clearly don't understand how a class action suit works.. these cases are done on a contingency basis..which means the lawyer wont take it unless he feels he can win and is paid when judgment is granted nothing comes out of the pockets of the litigants... FYI it also includes 100's and 1000's of those who have been affected.. all it takes is one lawyer to see that ANETS standard is in error...there are multiple examples of selective enforcement of policy when it concerns anet ban policy. This isn't a matter of just OMFG HE CROSSED THE LINE HE MADE 2 all CHAT recruitment MSGS OUR LIMIT IS 1...BANNED PERMANENTLY!!.. MAYBE MIKEY Z FROM THE LIVE TEAM NEEDS TO BE PERMANENTLY BANNED FOR TRYING TO SKIRT THE CHAT FILTER FOR USING "MIKE Z KICKS AZZ" you don't need anymore legal proof of selective enforcement than that. But I assure you there are MANY more examples

Perpetua Gale · Jan 03, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16

To set the record straight... I WAS NOT THE OP...nor have I ever been banned for spamming, flaming ect and have been online with GW for a very long timesince the very beginning. But i do know that all its gonna take is one gust of legal trouble for ANET regarding selective enforcement to crumble its tenuous situation. I'm also curious to know of those who by default are championing anets side in this, how much legal research /conversations with legal scholars regarding this issue have you done??..NONE?....THEN STFU SCOOBY. All anet needs to do is set a standard regarding banable offenses and penalties...

Jan 02, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51	#1
Erizneth Corithius Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: U.K. Guild: Bloodlust Brotherhood (Leader) Profession: R/Mo	ive been reported twice for spamming when i havnt spammed at all! what shall i do?? Hi, about a month ago, on my old account, i was reported for spamming and my account was suspended for 72 hours... i never spammed or did anything wrong.. and now, today my new account i made recently has been suspended, again for spamming.. and again .. I DIDNT SPAMM who ever keeps reporting me is no doubt going to do it again and again... and i wont be able to enjoy guild wars which i love so so much !! I play all day everyday lol thats how much i love the game, and im so upset that i keep getting suspended for something i didnt do .. what shall i do??? PLEASE help! Last edited by Erizneth Corithius; Jan 02, 2009 at 08:12 PM // 20:12.. Reason: spelling mistakes :P

Jan 02, 2009, 10:02 PM // 22:02	#10
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	ANets chat bans I seriously believe that Anet is treading on unstable ground regarding bans. I have spoken to several Law students/ professors at the UW in Seattle, Wa. which would be the jurisdiction for any actual damages. It certainly appears that there is NO standard to which bans are issued. Selective enforcement of codes/procedures/laws effectively nullifies that specific code/law/procedure. You can NOT ban someone for offensive names while you maintain one. You can NOT pick and choose. There MUST be a consistent standard. Curious that Live team member mikey z has a char named mike kicks azz.. I have seen names banned for less obvious offensive names. Its just a matter of time til some people come together for a class action lawsuit against ANET regarding banning of accounts. If anet doesnt like my spamming and they have a specific standard, then they can REMOVE my ability to chat... THEY HAVE NO LEGAL BASIS TO REMOVE MY ACCESS TO GAMEPLAY FOR WHICH I PAID. Some of you may flame this ect. unless you are familiar with WA. state legal code your comments are uninformed and dont tell me abut anets lawyers. If they indeed had any they would be aware of selective enforcement. ANET better figure it out before a class action suit hurts their financial bottom line more so than it is now. Even now as I type, letters are being drafted by A few L4's to be sent addressing this issue. stay tuned

Jan 02, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22	#12
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	UMMM... in case you didn't read carefully SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF A POLICY NEGATES ITS WORTH. To ban an account based on that premise would negate the terms of the EULA. If you want to have an enforceable EULA you need CONSISTENT STANDARDS. It is also apparent Anet has the ability to ban chat. I didnt buy the game to converse with random who-ha's. I doubt a judge would find that a semiand or permanant ban to my account for what someone "feels" is inappropriate...(lacking any standard) would be appropriate. Shut off my chat! I paid hundreds to play a game not to chitchat with children. What is to prevent ANet from collecting sales revenue then banning all accounts?...whats to stop them if they have no CONSISTENT STANDARD??? ALso even if you agree with a "contract" that is illegal or uneforcable DOES NOT MEAN ITS BINDING...TRY A LAW101 COURSE Last edited by Perpetua Gale; Jan 02, 2009 at 10:34 PM // 22:34..

Jan 03, 2009, 12:09 AM // 00:09	#19
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	YEa thats cute... Anet reserves the right to do whatever they want... but it does NOT hold legal weight... a business reserves the right to refuse service..but if you are only refusing service to blacks,asians or whoever your gonna have big LEGAL problems. A BUSINESS CAN'T DO WHATEVER IT WANTS...WITHOUT A STANDARD . you may also want to reference pharmisists refusing to sell birth control and the subsequent lawsuits UMM and FYI you clearly don't understand how a class action suit works.. these cases are done on a contingency basis..which means the lawyer wont take it unless he feels he can win and is paid when judgment is granted nothing comes out of the pockets of the litigants... FYI it also includes 100's and 1000's of those who have been affected.. all it takes is one lawyer to see that ANETS standard is in error...there are multiple examples of selective enforcement of policy when it concerns anet ban policy. This isn't a matter of just OMFG HE CROSSED THE LINE HE MADE 2 all CHAT recruitment MSGS OUR LIMIT IS 1...BANNED PERMANENTLY!!.. MAYBE MIKEY Z FROM THE LIVE TEAM NEEDS TO BE PERMANENTLY BANNED FOR TRYING TO SKIRT THE CHAT FILTER FOR USING "MIKE Z KICKS AZZ" you don't need anymore legal proof of selective enforcement than that. But I assure you there are MANY more examples Last edited by Perpetua Gale; Jan 03, 2009 at 12:18 AM // 00:18..

Jan 02, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15	#2
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	were u tryin to buy/sell things using local chat?

Jan 02, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16	#3
guildwars hero22 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: farming zashien (keys) Profession: R/Me	dont spam...............

Jan 02, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37	#5
-Lotus- Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2008	stop selling in the chat channel.

Jan 02, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52	#6
Empress Amarox Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Above you. Profession: Mo/W	If you're using the party window, make sure you have the Trade drop down selected before you start typing your message.

Jan 02, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02	#7
DarkFlame Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ascalon Profession: E/	/report does not equal instant ban. If you are getting banned, then you are doing something wrong. So stop it.

Jan 02, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10	#8
turbo234 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI Profession: Mo/	actually if i remember correctly, if it was you im thinking of, you were being rude to someone putting up recruiting messages in LA and said you hate recruiting messages etc etc and then said spam spam spam a bunch of times trying to mock them. the recruiter had done nothing wrong but you were just being disrespectful to that person and in fact did spam.

Jan 02, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36	#9
Xx Da Best Xx Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2008 Location: LA	Dont type and youll never spam without knowing it.

Jan 02, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13	#11
ShoGunTheOne Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Undercity Guild: 泰瑞亚联盟 Profession: E/	End User Licence Agreement: ... 4. Account ... (j) In the Game(s), characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called ‘Chat Messages.’ With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NCsoft will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated ‘spamming,’ or ‘flooding’ of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NCsoft Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NCsoft, lead to the temporary removal of the character’s ability to communicate, the Account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent Account closure. http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti...ser_agreement/ it's all in the EULA, you aggred it, so they have the right to ban you

Jan 02, 2009, 10:30 PM // 22:30	#13
Estan Micaliur Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2008 Guild: Relentless Ones [LESS] Profession: R/Mo	They aren't 'selectively enforcing' anything. When you purchased Guild Wars and subsequently created an account with ArenaNet and NCSoft, you agreed to the entire EULA. The ENTIRE thing. That includes the section mentioned above. If that isn't a 'consistent standard' I'm not sure what is. You said that if there is a problem with your chatting, they can remove your ability to chat. Yes, they can. They just chose something slightly more effective. If you are engaging in an activity deemed inappropriate, you can be suspended or banned, end of story.

Jan 02, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#15
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	I guarantee you a judge would see it differently. EVERYONE BUYS THE GAME TO PLAY.

Jan 02, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26	#16
ShoGunTheOne Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Undercity Guild: 泰瑞亚联盟 Profession: E/	and those who disobeys the rules lose the chance to play it's like that in anything

Jan 02, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28	#17
fusa Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007	If you're so convinced that you have a good case against ANet then spend a few thousand dollars on a lawyer over your $20-$150 game. Or just stop being stupid and follow their rules. Don't spam, or make stupid names and you can save your money on a lawyer and you won't be banned.

Jan 02, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29	#18
Luca Firestorm Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Profession: E/	Yup, in the end anet resreves the right to do absolutely anything they want to u, they can even colour all ur stuff pink, forever!

Jan 03, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16	#20
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	To set the record straight... I WAS NOT THE OP...nor have I ever been banned for spamming, flaming ect and have been online with GW for a very long timesince the very beginning. But i do know that all its gonna take is one gust of legal trouble for ANET regarding selective enforcement to crumble its tenuous situation. I'm also curious to know of those who by default are championing anets side in this, how much legal research /conversations with legal scholars regarding this issue have you done??..NONE?....THEN STFU SCOOBY. All anet needs to do is set a standard regarding banable offenses and penalties...